Sometimes it’s just enjoyable to see how others are struggling, recovering and finally winning just by doing right. This is the story of a guy who asks for help with high power RWD cars in the official ac forum:
Asking for help in a simracing community with thousands of active users often brings sad results. Not this one: Somehow the complete process went surprisingly well, constructive and even ended with a quite advanced suggestion by Aristotelis – it’s worth thinking about “why”.
RavageTheEarth (let me call him RTE) basically gave everything that might be needed in a very short post: Background, motivation, problem isolation and good attitude. After those few lines it was perfectly clear what is his problem, what he tried, the problem is isolated to power oversteer with high power RWD cars when both Traction Control (TC) and Stability Control (SC) is off.
Very important, but often ignored: He also read and obeyed the forum rules and FAQ. For this question (context SC) it’s vital to know whether he uses a wheel or gamepad – you can read it in his signature. Knowing the basic requirements (sticky posts and FAQs) also shows that you care and not just throw out the first thought. It’s some kind of attitude that is well-respected by the experienced community members – not restricted to simracing – and will affect the quality of your answers.
#2 Feedback and endeavour
For a good first post and probably just plain luck, RTE receives a lot different input and ideas. He does not question and discuss, but acts politely and thankfully. People have been attracted and interested by this guy that they even asked him for progress after 2 days!
His answer contained this interim result:
Yes, this is a solid lap in one of the hardest RWD cars available – the Ferrari F40, also called Fu**ing Turbo Lag. Not bad for somebody who stated this 2 days ago:
My issue is that I’m always spinning out and once I do spin out there is absolutely no way for me to recover and I helplessly smash into a wall.
Disclaimer: This doesn’t mean that we are facing a complete newbie. He already seems to be a decent driver, who only has a serious lack of rear power control.
#3 Feeding the audience
Probably surprised that anybody cares and the good feedback, RTE now starts to present his progress through various cars and techniques, resulting in a pleasant-to-read and active discussion about car driving techniques. And serious improvements on his side, of course.
It’s save to say that you won when you improve that much and eventually receive this “last” post:
Congratulations, RTE. You didn’t only learn how to drive a Ruf R12 RWD without SC and TC, you also crafted a very interesting thread in the official forum that is worth reading. You may have had luck, but you also had good manners.
To be crystal clear: I strongly criticize that omnipotent race for being better, making no mistakes, can’t change a view and need to “win” we are facing way too often in online social environments. It’s good to say “I can’t do this, but I want to learn”. Or
So here I am at your mercy. Halp!
Although I highly recommend the read of the 7 pages up to Aristotelis post, have a summary of the first mentioned suggestions. Without specific order or priority or my complete agreement:
- Use ABS and TC in factory settings if you want. It’s fine (first)
- Keep your inputs smooth. Pedals and wheel should not move like on/off switches (first)
- Slow is ok, more important to always be in control of the car (first)
- SC is just oversimplified handling and nothing simulated; get your hands off SC as soon as you can (first)
- Be patient, better to be careful with the throttle at corner exit than to risk wheelspin and oversteer (first)
- vsync activated? Turn it off, this can help with the input-lag (first)
- Don’t overcorrect after the car starts to oversteer. Try to use as little steering-input as possible but as much as needed (first)
- Practice with KTM, Lotus 25 or the 458 to go slow into the corners, bring them to slide a bit mid-corner and then try to catch them (first)
- Don’t give up, we all had similar problems when we started simracing (first)
- Turn everything off and start with the M3 E30 on 90’s tyres, then Lotus Elise / E92 M3 (first)
- Don’t use optimal track settings, Green will let you hit your limit more often (first)
- Turn off timing app or even all apps, to avoid the distraction (first)
- Dont forget that you can have different levels of TC/ABS in some cars. The lower the number is the higher the TC/ABS level will be (first)
- start braking earlier before corners to make sure you have time to settle the car for turn in (first)
- feed the throttle nice and smooth only getting deeper down the pedal travel once you are straightening out the steering wheel (first)
- check out some theory while practicing. Start with the traction circle (first)
- do not treat the throttle like a on/off switch, rather a variable dial that requires precision (first)
- You can steer a car with the throttle, too […] (first)
- How high is your FFB gain? If it isn’t high enough, you might not be feeling enough of the tyre forces to make good steering judgments while driving (first)
- At that point, don’t focus on lap time, it’s a bad advisor (first)
- What is your FOV set at? (first)
- make sure you don´t overdrive the car so heat doesn’t kill the tyres grip (first)
- make sure you have basic understanding of load shifts (first)
- FFB Wheel Check? (first)
- test if “Enhanced Understeer Effect” helps (first)
That was only the first day.